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Back While the container is executing the finder method, it must give identities to each of the objects (primary keys). Hence, they must be placed in the ready state, since objects do not have any identity in the pooled state. Can someone please clarify the statement from the specs. -- --Original Message-- -- From: Kalra, Ashwani [mailto:ashwani.kalra@(protected)] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 7:28 PM To: J2EEPATTERNS-INTEREST@(protected) Subject: Re: Large finders on entity beans refactored Here what I read from specs 2.0 "The instance does not move to the ready state during the execution of a finder or a home method." -- --Original Message-- -- From: Pradeep Kumar [mailto:pradeepk@(protected)] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 9:54 AM To: J2EEPATTERNS-INTEREST@(protected) Subject: Re: Large finders on entity beans refactored I totally agree. We are told that if we read a large amt of data via entity beans, there will be too many entity objects in ready state. One can argue, that they will be the cached data for subsequent reads (lets? say via find by primary key), however, to avoid dirty reads, the container calls the EJB load method, which defeats the purpose of caching -- --Original Message-- -- From: Katz Guy [mailto:Guy_Katz@(protected)] Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 12:12 PM To: J2EEPATTERNS-INTEREST@(protected) Subject: Large finders on entity beans refactored Hi; Going through the core patterns book. There is a bad practice dedicated to not using finder methods when large result is expected but use a DAO instead. My understanding is that the authors want to have a 'dual interface' for access to the same data, Modeling the data itself as entity beans yet using DAO for the search. Is this correct? If so, wouldn't this be in contrast to resusability? Also, isnt this a good place to put your money on vendor container optimiations? __ ____ ____ ____ _____ Guy Katz Software Architect, CAP-IFS Comverse guy.katz@(protected) +972 3 7663686 DISCLAIMER: This message (including attachment if any) is confidential and may be privileged. Before opening attachments please check them for viruses and defects. MindTree Consulting Private Limited (MindTree) will not be responsible for any viruses or defects or any forwarded attachments emanating either from within MindTree or outside. If you have received this message by mistake please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message from your system. Any unauthorized use or dissemination of this message in whole or in part is strictly prohibited. Please note that e-mails are susceptible to change and MindTree shall not be liable for any improper, untimely or incomplete transmission. ==================================================================== Companion Site: http://www.corej2eepatterns.com J2EE BluePrints: http://java.sun.com/blueprints/corej2eepatterns List Archive: http://archives.java.sun.com/archives/j2eepatterns-interest.html Unsubscribing: email "signoff J2EEPATTERNS-INTEREST" to listserv@(protected) ==================================================================== Companion Site: http://www.corej2eepatterns.com J2EE BluePrints: http://java.sun.com/blueprints/corej2eepatterns List Archive: http://archives.java.sun.com/archives/j2eepatterns-interest.html Unsubscribing: email "signoff J2EEPATTERNS-INTEREST" to listserv@(protected)
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle18><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family: Arial'>While the container is executing the finder method, it must give identities to each of the objects (primary keys). Hence, they must be placed in the ready state, since objects do not have any identity in the pooled state.<o :p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle18><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family: Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font>< /span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle18><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family: Arial'>Can someone please clarify the statement from the specs.<o:p></o:p>< /span></font></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>---- -Original Message-- --<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Kalra, Ashwani [mailto:ashwani.kalra@(protected)]<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 18, 2003 7:28 PM<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> J2EEPATTERNS-INTEREST@(protected)<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Large finders on entity beans refactored</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Here what I read from specs 2.0</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black; mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>"The instance does not move to the ready state during the execution of a finder or a home<br> method."</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black; mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt; margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>---- -Original Message-- --<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Pradeep Kumar [mailto:pradeepk@(protected)]<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 15, 2003 9:54 AM<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> J2EEPATTERNS-INTEREST@(protected)<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Large finders on entity beans refactored</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black; mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><span class=EmailStyle17><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I totally agree. We are told that if we read a large amt of data via entity beans, there will be too many entity objects in ready state. One can argue, that they will be the cached data for subsequent reads (lets? say via find by primary key), however, to avoid dirty reads, the container calls the EJB load method, which defeats the purpose of caching<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma; color:black'>-- --Original Message-- --<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Katz Guy [mailto:Guy_Katz@(protected)]<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 14, 2003 12:12 PM<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> J2EEPATTERNS-INTEREST@(protected)<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Large finders on entity beans refactored</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black; mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p>< /span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Hi;< /span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'> <br> </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'>Going through the core patterns book.</span>< /font><font color=black><span style='color:black'> <br> </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'>There is a bad practice dedicated to not using finder methods when large result is expected but use a DAO instead.</span>< /font><font color=black><span style='color:black'> <br> </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'>My understanding is that the authors want to have a 'dual interface' for access to the same data, Modeling the data itself as entity beans yet using DAO for the search. Is this correct? </span></font> <font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p>< /span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>If so, wouldn't this be in contrast to resusability? Also, isnt this a good place to put your money on vendor container optimiations?</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p>< /span></font></p>
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