Ya, don't EVEN get me started on some of the hacks I've had to do in
the last 8 months to get our JSF app to behave....sheeesh!


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James Mitchell
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On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:34 PM, Rick Reumann wrote:

> I just got around to watching this JSF presentation with Ed Burns..
> http://event.on24.com/eventRegistration/EventLobbyServlet?
> target=lobby.jsp&eventid=25412&sessionid=1&partnerref=atssc_sitepost_0
> 1_16_07&key=1C3610AF899E09A2EFD26F0FD6B7875E&eventuserid=9113781
> (the transcript you can view also). What is funny is this exact
> master-detail-situation is one of the things I found so frustrating
> about JSF (at least he admits it should be made easier). Almost all
> the tutorials (back when I was looking at JSF) always seemed to skip
> the "basic" CRUD concepts which really annoyed me. Why not show
> examples of what 99% of the developers are going to need to do with
> the framework?
>
> <transcirpt snippet>
>
> 18. TSS.com: I am sure it will be. Also looking around the educational
> efforts, the patterns and the blueprints around JSF, tend to avoid a
> lot of fairly simple patterns such as a simple master detail. It
> certainly shows lists, but not actually doing the crud around…
>
> Ed Burns: Right.
>
> 19. TSS.com: … master detail. Why -- I mean shouldn't that be
> normal for --?
>
> Ed Burns: I agree. The master-detail pattern is something that is a
> core thing, you most web apps do that. And as it turns out, I think
> one of the most difficult -- one of the reasons why it's not included
> so much is the lack of a conversation scope. With master-detail, you
> often have one page that's your master page and then a separate page,
> that's your detail page. You need to convey that information what have
> I chosen to drill down on and the absence of the conversation scope
> where you can say, okay, I am going to put this here and I want this
> to exist for the next request, what we have in the JSF Extensions
> Project I am working on is a simple Flash Ruby on Rails style Flash
> thing, where you put data in the Flash and it exists for the next
> request only and once you have that master-detail is simple and
> trivial, so…
>
> 20. TSS.com: So master-detail is not simple and trivial now or --?
>
> Ed Burns: Well, there are some other ways to do it now. You have to
> use an F: parameter tag to attach the value to a component. So -- but
> it's not as easy as it should be.
>
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