-none- 2007-10-03 - By Charl Gerber
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Costs - the only way I can get a private Tomcat JVM in
South Africa, is dedicated hosting. Ie, renting a
complete machine. Costs are about 10x as much as
shared VM.
As I said, I have a private VM at a US based account
and it works beautifully, but in South Africa (where
the app MUST be hosted), we do not have that option
without very high costs.
--- Gabe Wong <gabrielw@(protected)> wrote:
> I am not sure how a private JVM on a VPS or on a
> regular shared OS can
> be more difficult than the challenges you are
> facing with the present shared JVM. A shared JVM is
> good for a very
> basic JSP/Servlet application. However by its nature
> (shared), you will not be able to do certain
> configurations required for
> more complex applications because that is only
> possible
> on your own private installation or instance.
> Remember on a shared JVM,
> you as well as others are using the same application
> server instance and
> JVM.
> So image if everyone is able to make changes on the
> global configuration
> file e.g. server.xml,etc.
>
>
>
> Charl Gerber wrote:
> > I currently DO have my own Tomcat server, but the
> > application is now moved to South Africa (site for
> a
> > business over there, makes it a lot faster for the
> > users who will 99% be based in SA) and Tomcat
> hosting
> > alone is difficult, leave alone a private JVM.
> >
> >
> > --- Ken Bowen <kbowen@(protected)> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Why not move your hosting to an isp who provides
> a
> >> vps?
> >> Then you get complete control of your own tomcat;
> >> the whole thing looks and
> >> feels like you have your own server, even though
> you
> >> are sharing the
> >> physical machine.:w
> >>
> >> The prices I've seen are comparable to those
> where
> >> you have to share
> >> your tomcat.
> >>
> >> My 2 cents...
> >>
> >> Ken Bowen
> >>
> >> Charl Gerber wrote:
> >>
> >>> Turns out datasource configuration is not
> possible
> >>> using Plesk as a shared tomcat server, the guys
> at
> >>> Plesk themselves told me.
> >>>
> >>> That sucks. Means I have to create and manage
> the
> >>> Datasource in my app... minor refactoring, but
> not
> >>>
> >> a
> >>
> >>> nice way of doing it. I also use hibernate and
> >>>
> >> could
> >>
> >>> only get that working by defining its own
> >>>
> >> connection
> >>
> >>> pooling. So now I have two pools :((
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- Pid <p@(protected)> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Charl Gerber wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I just moved my hosting from a provider where
> I
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> had a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> private Tomcat server with complete control
> over
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> it to
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> a provider that uses Plesk and I share the
> >>>>>
> >> Tomcat
> >>
> >>>>> server with other users. The provider has no
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Tomcat
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> knowledge in house and the Tomcat service is
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> rarely
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> used, so they couldn't help me with this
> >>>>>
> >> problem.
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> which version of tomcat?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I want to create a jdbc datasource for my
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> application.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> If we manually create it in server.xml, the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> provider
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> claims that the changes are overwritten and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> removed
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> every time someone uploads a new .war file.
> (Is
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> this
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> true?)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> AFAIK, server.xml is not altered by war file
> >>>> deployments.
> >>>> Tomcat would need to be restarted in order that
> >>>> those alterations to
> >>>> server.xml are evaluated.
> >>>>
> >>>> I also do not want to define the datasource as
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> eg a global resource, as it would mean the
> other
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> users
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> of the tomcat server can get access to my
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> database.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I tried to configure the datasource in the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> context.xml
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> of my application and put it in my .war file.
> >>>>>
> >> This
> >>
> >>>>> works fine on my development server, but when
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> uploaded
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> to the Tomcat server with Plesk, a server.xml
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> entry
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> for my application is created without the
>
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